sas4 is one of the veteran posters/lurkers over at Alex Patton's discussion forum. Like Mike Fenger, he is the type of reader/commentator I was hoping to attract to Roto Think Tank: the kind of owner who is more of an expert than many of the web site experts who are getting paid good money to spout opinions of a very general nature.
Yesterday, I wrote a reply to sas4's idea that spending 80% of your money on hitting is perhaps a window into Stage 4 of Roto. Today, he provided two long responses to that e-mail that are so wonderful that instead of responding in a very long and probably boring post, I'll respond in a series of short and probably boring posts.
First up:
In our league you still must have solid pitching to win; but keep in mind it is relatively cheaper since everyone is piling on offense.I agree.
Earlier this winter, I discussed this very concept. Leagues as a general rule spend $175 on hitting on $85 on pitching per team, or $2100 on hitting and $1020 on pitching in a 12-team league. However, if your league spends $208 on hitting per team, you will have to adjust your bids. If you don't adjust your bids, you will wind up spending something like $130-140 on hitting since your hitting pool will have $396 less in bids than your opponent.
Inflation drives this concept to even more radical heights.
Let's look at League A and League B. Both are A.L. only leagues. League A spends $2100 on its hitters, or $175 per team. League B spends $2496, or $208 per team.
League A has its auction first. I go in with my Patton $ bid values. Derek Jeter has a bid limit of $30. Inflation is 20%. My limit, therefore, is $36. Derek goes for $37. His price is $1 over par.
The next day, in League B, the same Derek Jeter has a bid limit of $36 for the same stats, since League B spends 18.9% more ($2496/$2100) on hitting. If League B has the same 20% inflation factor, Jeter's inflation price is now $43. If he goes for $37, I've got a $6 bargain, not a $1 loss.
If I'm stubborn and refuse to adjust to the reality of League B, I'm going to be sitting on my hands on hitter after hitter. I'm also going to quickly fill out my pitching staff, since my $28 Daisuke Matsuzaka is this league's $17 Daisuke Matsuzaka, since this league spends 38.9% less ($624/$1020) on pitching. League B's 20% inflation factor still leaves D-Mat at $20, or $8 short of my uninflated price! I might feel great about D-Mat at $21, but I'm overpaying in League B. And if I overpay for 9 pitchers, I'm quickly going to spend $100+ on pitchers right out of the gate.
In League B, I'm forced to tweak my bids to match League B's typical spending pattern. However, in a league that deviates this significantly from $175/$85, I'm willing to bet that:
- Stud pitchers aren't being discounted as much as the guys in the middle and the scrubs. My $42 Johan Santana in League A probably isn't being discounted to $26 in League B. Someone in League B is most likely spending $30-35 on Santana and filling in his staff with a bunch of scrubeenies.
- on the other side of the diamond, stud hitters aren't being upped universally by 18.9%. A $41 Carl Crawford in League A is now a $49 Crawford in League B. That's fine, but the 20% inflation factor makes Crawford a $59 player in League B. $208 hitting budget or not, teams inherently shy away from putting $59 worth of beans into one player due to injury and/or performance risk. My inflation bid in this league probably is closer to $53 or so. The extra dollars get spread elsewhere.
4 comments:
Good Think-Tank-ing, Mike ... keep it up!
LM
Mike, I completely agree...two points: can you changs 'most' to 'must.' My bad. Secondly, this really shows how worthless most price guides are. They are flawed to begin with on many key players. More importantly, even when when they get 80% of the players evaluated correctly, they do not adjust for the vagaries of each fantasy league. That is one reason I rely on Alex. And then I adjust twice. First I adjust the value of each hitter, using an equation that increase studs by a higher percentage and reduces cheap players. Then I discount a bit for steals since our league does not value speed as much as it should.
sas4 - love reading your posts.
Mike and I have talked about the worth of most fantasy price guides and written about the same.
The run-of-the-mill fantasy price guide fails immediately - the prices set out in the guide do not add up to the standard 4x4 or 5x5 league budgets. Moreover, they do not account for what you and Mike are discussing here, the adaptation of bids to league deviations.
If you don't abide by the league budgets, bids just do not make sense. Sooner or later, you either wind up with a collectively underpriced set of stars and superstars, and a lot of left-over money, or you have 15 overpriced studs and no money to fill out a roster. Either way, as a guide to the casual player or a Bible to the neophyte player, the guide fails horribly.
hey, sas4...I'll go in tomorrow at some point and change the spelling. right now I just finished posting and I'm pretty fried.
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