Tuesday, April 24, 2007

Plateau Players and Incremental Players

Continuing the second part of my 47-part series based on sas4's response to my post about Stage 4, sas 4 wrote:
An owner must master the concept of a 'plateau' player - the must have guy needed to mount an assault on any category. It is a fatal mistake to have spent all that money on J. Reyes and finish last in steals. Conversely, without a Reyes, you have a hard time making any progress in speed.
To go along with a 'plateau' player there must be the 'incremental' player, the Kinsler (I am hoping) who can get 20 steals and move you up rapidly through the category while not hurting you in other offensive areas.
As a reminder, sas4 and I were discussing the merits of an 80%/20% hitting/pitching split, as opposed to the more traditional 67%/33% split. I'm not entirely sure what the "plateau"/"incremental" players have to do with this discussion, but I'll take a stab at it.

Here is a look at the major league leader in a category versus the winning total for the category in my American League Roto league and my former National League Roto league.

Table 1: Winning Category Total as % of Category, 2006

League

Category

Individual
High Total

League
High Total

% of League
High Total

A.L.HR5427819.4%
A.L.RBI1371,04613.1%
A.L.SB5814540.0%
A.L.Wins1910218.6%
A.L.Saves478158.0%
N.L.HR5824923.3%
N.L.RBI14998415.1%
N.L.SB6417237.2%
N.L.Wins169716.5%
N.L.Saves466669.7%

So the idea of "mounting an assault on a category" only applies to stolen bases and saves...unless Jack Chesbro is going to be re-animated from the dead and repeat his 1904, 41-win season.

I'll go back in these same leagues (1999 for my A.L.; 2004 for the N.L.) to see if this rule actually applies.

Table 2: % of Category Winner's SB from one player
LeagueYear

Leader's best
SB Player

LeadingTeam
SB Total
% of Leading
Player Total
A.L.19994217324.3%
A.L.2ooo3113123.7%
A.L.200156*19728.4%
A.L.20023211527.8%
A.L.200355*14039.3%
A.L.20042813820.3%
A.L.200532/54**12625.4%/42.9%**
A.L.200658*14540%
N.L.200470*17340.5%
N.L.200526***16016.3%
N.L.200640***17223.3%

* - A.L. or N.L. leader
** - Tie in category
*** - N.L. leader traded or acquired midseason

Of course, this is extremely anecdotal; I'd need data from hundreds if not thousands of leagues and a supercomputer to crunch all of those numbers.

For the most part, though, I'm not sure sas4's theory holds up. And, before I produced this table, I thought it would.

Immediately, there are three reasons I can think of why owning a "plateau" player isn't necessarily required:

  1. In the American League, since the leader sometimes has a low SB total (Brian Hunter's 44 in 1999, Alfonso Soriano's 41 in 2002), it's entirely possible to spread the wealth in the SB category and not acquire a component player. Compared to the N.L., there are some pretty low winning totals.
  2. Trades change the auction landscape quickly. Steals (and saves) are categories that teams sometimes give up on even in non-dump trades as soon as they realize they either cannot compete or are in a position where trading a SB guy will only lose them a point. Additionally, if you own Reyes and Roberts, you're going to trade one, and you will not own all 60+ SB that plateau player provides.
  3. Finally, steals are far more likely to come from cheap sources. Chris Duffy came out of nowhere to steal 26 bases last year. In the A.L., Nick Punto and Willie Bloomquist stole 10+ bases and were cheap. Even if you find a power guy like this who will hit 20 HR, as Table 1 shows, you're garnering a lower percentage of total HR necessary to win the category.

There's another factor when it comes to plateau guys in categories like SB/saves, and that is the disappearing act some of these guys do. Memories are short in Roto, but anyone who paid big bucks for Chuck Carr, Brian Hunter or Alex Sanchez years ago probably saw his season go up in smoke. A 30 HR/120 RBI hitter generally doesn't fall off the map entirely like a 40-50 SB guy does. True, an 18/80 line from a 30/120 projected hitter does sting. But at least you're getting something. When Alex Sanchez disappears, you've spent $20-25 for nothing.

I'll summarize with two points:

  1. You can win SB with incremental players only. In fact, spreading the wealth in the category might be a good idea, given the risk involved in so many speed only players.
  2. If you do want to break the bank for a SB guy, make sure he's a complete player. This is a good place to look at the player's OBP instead of his BA and his other assets. A guy like Luis Castillo might not do much besides run and hit for average, but his OBP is probably going to keep him in the line-up for a long time to come. Meanwhile, someone like Scott Podsednik is already at risk somewhat, due to a poor OBP and the possibility of a platoon.

1 comment:

Anonymous said...

Hi Mike. I'm headed out of town and don't have a lot of time but let me suggest the following:

The stats you want from a plateau player -- do not have to be the best in the league (Reyes SB or Howard HR.)
For fantasy purposes, (which will vary based on the size of rosters and numbers of teams, and stat categories) here is what I am thinking:


HR: 40.
RBI: 118
SB: 40
Runs: 114
BA: .320 (tough one and you need a few of these players)

Wins: 17
Saves: 35
Era: 3.20 (depends on league)
WHIP and K's : not sure

An Incremental player that then moves your team up in the category past several other teams is probably 85% of these numbers.

I wold love to see a study of a few thousand leagues that count the number of plateau players and incremental players on the top 2-3 teams and the botton 2-3 teams. My guess is there is a very strong correlation.

My guess is that more winning teams have more P and I players than the losers. My guess is that teams that win with productivity evenly distributed in their lineup are few and far between.

This is more than a stars and scrubs debate because it gets to the other question you asked: How did we get here from a discussion on paying more for hitting.

Answer: You have to over pay more for hitting than pitching and this suggests where you should over pay.